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Mordecai Sanguine
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:08:00 -
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Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t  ).
Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again 
So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended.
This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault.
Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :
-A*sholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.
Quote:So that's pretty simple.
EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid")
Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot)
At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement
No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out.
With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. 
Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot). 
BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier) 
Like this post make than the Dev see it. 
It will balance everything.
Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf.
It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. )
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.) |
Mordecai Sanguine
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:29:00 -
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Guys.
There's a solution who got sense.
Stop whining like little kids "nerf this nerf that" or "buff this buff that" or "change racial bonus change the game use magic"
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Mordecai Sanguine
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:08:00 -
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Sorry i didn't understand can you explain ? :/ |
Mordecai Sanguine
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:14:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Sorry i didn't understand can you explain ? :/ A logi can't fit more than 2 of the same equipment type. Example: Fitting 4 different Drop Uplinks on the suit, then dropping them all to get major points. Or- Fitting 4 different Nanohives on the suit to drop and get major points. This may stop all the QQ about "spamming equipment" :D
I agree.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:19:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:So what your saying is, because I equip an imperial scrambler rifle and basic breach SMG along with basic equipment and enhanced armour plates on my proto, my fit should be "invalid"?
YES.
You use your suit to break the game.
But NO in reality if you get all your equipement slot then it's not invalid.
If you don't have 20% of your CPU/PG in equipement it's not making your suit invalid.
But you can't use these 20% for fitting everything else than equipements.
So NO it will not be invalid BUT you could not use the 20% for fitting everything else than your equipements. |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:22:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:This is actually a very good idea, make suits invalid unless they fill their equipment slots. And no double equipment either.
Double is acceptable but not triple.
BUT it will make the fit "invalid" when you don't fill all the equipement slot.
BUT if you don't use the 20% of PG/CPU for equipements it will not be "invalid" you could still use it.
BUT you could'nt use these 20% for fitting everything else than equipements. |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:23:00 -
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ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:Get rid of their light weapon slot. Make it a side arm slot only. This removes the ability of the Logi to perform as a slayer role effectively. Then give them some CPU/PG increases so they can fit better gear and actually do their real role better.
Have you ever read my thread ? I don't think so.
This idea S*cks.
It's absolutely non-sense. |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:35:00 -
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8213 wrote:I like it but I don't...
Its a good solution, but at the same time it restricts the Logi suit.
As soon as you start forcing playstyles to certain suits, you crutch the game.
I don't like Assault Logis anymore than anyone else, I don't like Heavies having ARs, I don't like having Mediums playing as Scouts... but its their RIGHT TO DO SO!
Its the balance of free and open customization in this game. Eventually people find the best way to loophole the expected system and p*ss everyone off...
Hate the player or hate the game? Change the player or change the game?
I understand And... i agree !
That's why if they don't use at least 20% of their PG/CPU on equipement slot they still can use their fit.
BUT it will be impossible for them to use these 20% for everything else.
Like that they can do what they want without "breaking" the rules of the dropsuit.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:56:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t ). Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended. This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault. Logi are too powerful because of 2 things : -A*sholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods. -Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended. Quote:So that's pretty simple. EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid") Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot)At least 20% of the used PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out.With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot). BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier) Like this post make than the Dev see it. It will balance everything. Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf. It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. ) Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else. You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.) Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.) Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM.... This.
Thanks dude but it's already the thread ^^'
Just take the link and paste it everywhere they talk about Logi fix it will be simple for you ! |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:46:00 -
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In fact i think assault don't want to be "logi" they don't want to help people.
They just want to play/kill.
So yes we must separate them.
A class that is designed to help and one to kill.
But it should be more separated to be really "differant"
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Mordecai Sanguine
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:52:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:I'm happy with just filling the equipment slots. The 20% requirement is too far, and too difficult to calculate. How do we know what is 20% of CPU AND PG, when their value is different? We know CPU is more important than PG, but by how much?
In fact in Amarr the PG is most important than CPU.
Just divide your PG/CPU used by 100 then multiplicate by 20.
Pretty simple.
But the game will calculate it directly.
No it's not too far because they could fit 3 compact nanohives and it will not be a fix to the problem. |
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:10:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Vyzion Eyri wrote:I'm happy with just filling the equipment slots. The 20% requirement is too far, and too difficult to calculate. How do we know what is 20% of CPU AND PG, when their value is different? We know CPU is more important than PG, but by how much?
How about 20% of either one? That way it would effect armor and shield suits equally. 20% isn't to far at all BTW. Even my more assaulty ak.0s meet that requirement. 20% seems perfect to be honest.
Yep. the 20% affect CPU AND PG.
To make Shield vs armor balanced.
Quote:Posted: 2013.10.25 00:04
I thought you were going to want the weapon replaced by a repper. +1 for a (finally) good solution.
Thanks don't forget a "like".
It will help to get the idea to the dev. |
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Posted - 2013.10.25 10:32:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:The problem with the OP thread is, a Simple Quantum scanner + Nanohives + compact nanohives do take more than 20% of my PG, Are ASsault intended,and i can STILL equip 720hP and an ASCR and a FLaylock pistol at ADV level for 45k ISK.
Problem not solved. Nice try thou.
But i don't think it takes 20% of your "used" CPU.
Stop ba an a*shole 2sec you're just mad bro because i said than remove the light weapon for Logi is bad and will be like "removing" the classe from the game.
People don't want to be restricted and want freedom but they only got Anarchy.
They don't understand than because they don't simply want Little restrictions like mines they're gonna Be NerfHammered maybe even loss their weapon.
Stop thiking because you say logi is fine that the logi will not change.
The Logi WILL CHANGE we must just trying to change it good
Logi is broken and assault is already too powerful.
The problem is not the assault too weak it's the logi too powerful. But not because of stats but because the power we give him for equipements is used as "assault" purpose. |
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Posted - 2013.10.25 10:39:00 -
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Quote:Yes do all of these wonderfully stupid things, nerf the most popular playstyle in the game so more people will leave it. Your an idiot, no wonder CHRONOS went down so fast....
You're certainely the worst douchebag i ever saw.
Anyway i'm gonna tell you why simply because i'm civilised ME.
If you have read like 10sec (Do you know what "read" means ? I'm not sure).
Restricting 20% of PG/CPU will nerf Badlogi and not the "realLogi"
It's not because most of the people are using a broken playstyle to be "Half-God" than it must stay like that.
If we listen you then we should ALL take logi with duvolle.
And because it's the more powerful we should NEVER change it.
Seriously do you think like...20sec ???? |
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Posted - 2013.10.25 10:44:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Adding artificial constraints is usually not good.
While making it mandatory to fit each and every EQ slot would help, it would not still be a best possible solution.
It's true that logis using their very high pg+cpu values to fit proto combat modules is problematic.
The fix for that would be a very simple one:
Make Gallente logi bonus a logi suit bonus (reduction to EQ fitting costs) and buff that bonus, while reducing the base PG+CPU values.
Voil+í.
We have a suit with multiple EQ slots, great design freedom and no possibility to create a juggernaut combat suit. There would be no drastic difference between EQ equipped and EQ ignored fitting variations.
It's not a bad idea in fact.
But..it's got MORE contraints than my idea....
I constraints how using the power but you it's even worse you're constraints ALL the suit.
Good idea but it will not prevent people to not fit equipements and got a juggernaut.
And if you get PG/CPU low to prevent it even with bonus it will not be possible to fit equipements correctly.
(Well fitted equipements is almost 40PG.) |
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Posted - 2013.10.25 10:52:00 -
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People listen this :
True Logistics Player :
It's not because you don't want changes than they will be no changes.
Stop hiding yourself behind truth.
It's to us to guide the changement to not penalizing us and penalize the false logi.
False Logistics player
Because of you all Logi wil be nerfed you couldn't be an assault you will be as effective as a 1 millions Sp scout.
You're going to kill the logitics class only because you think than if you said there's no problem they will be no problem.
You're Wrong there's a problem and it will be rules by CCP and his Giant NerfHammer.
Just stop defending actual Logi you're not even logistics why don't you go on Assault class ?
People who wants Only sidearms.
In fact i love this idea in paper it will prevent problems.
In real it will be like remove the logistics class because nobody will play it anymore (Maybe yourself).
It's a FPS you can't remove the weapon in FPS.
My idea has really LITTLE constraints and people are crying "it's no freedomm i want to be overpowered gnah gna gna"
So do you think they will be ok to remove their Light weapon ?? :/
But in paper i love this idea. (Then the Logi bonus should be a bonus on Damage secondary) |
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Posted - 2013.10.25 10:54:00 -
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Stan Dan wrote:Lol your idea won't work because my proto logo has 1 nano ans 2 drops and it still has more tank and or damage that the assault.
REAAAAAAAAD ALL THE THREAAAAAD.
They must use at least 20% of you PG/CPU based on the PG/CPU you used.
And if 20% is not that much then it will be 25%.
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:28:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Adding artificial constraints is usually not good.
While making it mandatory to fit each and every EQ slot would help, it would not still be a best possible solution.
It's true that logis using their very high pg+cpu values to fit proto combat modules is problematic.
The fix for that would be a very simple one:
Make Gallente logi bonus a logi suit bonus (reduction to EQ fitting costs) and buff that bonus, while reducing the base PG+CPU values.
Voil+í.
We have a suit with multiple EQ slots, great design freedom and no possibility to create a juggernaut combat suit. There would be no drastic difference between EQ equipped and EQ ignored fitting variations. It's not a bad idea in fact. But..it's got MORE contraints than my idea.... I constraints how using the power but you it's even worse you're constraints ALL the suit. Good idea but it will not prevent people to not fit equipements and got a juggernaut. And if you get PG/CPU low to prevent it even with bonus it will not be possible to fit equipements correctly. (Well fitted equipements is almost 40PG.) Ah, evidently it was not clear that I meant a drastic reduction bonus on Equipment fitting. Something at least -50%, perhaps reaching as high as -80%. Example, EQ rack of 40PG -80% would be 8PG. This way, the benefit of leaving the rack empty would be quite small. In fact, it might be better to fill it with standard level items. The point is, skipping the reduced Equipment cost would not be enough to give logis advantage over assaults for example.
And PG/CPU of all the dropsuits will be nerfed so ? Good idea.
Because just reduction on equipements and all slot module will be full of complex. |
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:07:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:8213 wrote:I like it but I don't...
Its a good solution, but at the same time it restricts the Logi suit.
As soon as you start forcing playstyles to certain suits, you crutch the game.
I don't like Assault Logis anymore than anyone else, I don't like Heavies having ARs, I don't like having Mediums playing as Scouts... but its their RIGHT TO DO SO!
Its the balance of free and open customization in this game. Eventually people find the best way to loophole the expected system and p*ss everyone off...
Hate the player or hate the game? Change the player or change the game? Damn, use that as your signature.
When we have less than 10000 players we usually change the game not the player.
And...why it's their right huh ?
Anyway it's ok to use something not as intended but it's not supposed to be more effective than the role intended as. |
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